Originally Posted by Eequalsmc2 (Post 20936455)

Firstly Id like to mention that your post about stopping all this nonsense and focus on making money was not even 2 mths ago, seems you are not exactly one minded about leaving the whole cheong scene behind.

As to your question. Yes majority Sd expect sex, but there will be a few old sd with money but little time ie near death or maybe due to work who want someone just to listen to them and not judge or nag them like their wives so these guys spoil market. Or there could be Sd who are timid, they want sex but dont dare initiate and a unscrupulous sb will take advantage of this.

yes i totally understand your point you want the sex and the gfe/ pretext of a relationship forthe 1,2, 3 hrs that you need it, you dont want to have to continually contact her ask how she is pretend to care for the rest of the day the way you have to with a gf in a relationship.

ppm is very fair but sb dont like this because sb is inherently a scam or manipulation of unfair relationship. It basically manipulates guys who dont want the stigma or the perception they are having sex with a unclean girl, they want the feeling they are specials and they are the only one. Truth is most sb are ex WL ML, or even current ones, are plain janes who want to earn more without having to be a WL with the risks involved, and generally most sb will have more than 1 sd.

personal info, you can give as little or as much as you want why use phone number why not communicate by telegram or whatever. in your case you said you financially free, means no boss self employed, from your posts no wife etc so why care if she knows your name and number etc, i wouldnt give facebook or home address if yu dont want your family friends to know.

If your are worried about getting emotionally involved when you 40, then you probably haven't had enough sex with strangers so that you can delineate sex and love. Try having sex with 1000 WL then you will realize sex is just that what is so special and unique about a sb that makes her worthy of your love. I might be a sociopath, but i really cant see how a women involved in the sex industry is worth me risking 7 figures in a property division.

The next few questions i feel i have answered as to market price, there are sb who claim to be ex air stewardess, there are ones who are in their 40s and claim to be nurses, there are plain jane 20 yr old, there are guys willing to pay 2k mth there are guys willing to pay 10k month all these elements makes it impossible to say market price unles syou narrow down parameters

Originally Posted by Eequalsmc2 (Post 20936465)

Personally I think the whe SB/sd thing is a chumps game. I like yourself am in my 40s I'm in good shape regularly date 20 yr olds for companionship or more. I'm financially independent ie no boss or work time commitments, but even then when I want the sure thing rather than the probability with dating I have a full roster of young ladies I can call upon who will happily have sex with me for the cost of a meal I would have incurred whilst dating. Obviously I am fully retired overseas.
Sample of a few I met since covid risk has dropped where I am.
Granted my preference is for the thrill of variety rather than the same old thing

Originally Posted by expatamerican (Post 20936733)

All actually very good questions and the answers are all the same...it depends.

Do most SD want sex? Most definitely. You have to be terribly lonely to pay someone to just have dinner with you. For me sex and payment are linked. No sex, no allowance. There are a few delusional SBs (usually the 18-20 type) who think they can get money just for sending occasional text messages. But they soon learn to put out or get out of the sugar bowl.

As for how much to pay and for what it really depends. I have a wife who fully supports my need to play and prefers I get a sugar baby rather than a mistress. I keep it simple, PPM every couple of weeks or so, no real communication between meets. The dates are multi hour and usually include a meal. I give her 350 but my total cost including hotel and food is usually about 500+ per date.

But I have had other SB deals that were more fuzzy where I helped with expenses and we communicated regularly so more like a semi girlfriend that I helped out. That was not PPM nor monthly allowance.

You have to decide what works for both of you and find the right one for the fit. Join SA, go on a few meet and greets (never pay for those) and see what happens.

Originally Posted by expatamerican (Post 20936733)

All actually very good questions and the answers are all the same...it depends.

Do most SD want sex? Most definitely. You have to be terribly lonely to pay someone to just have dinner with you. For me sex and payment are linked. No sex, no allowance. There are a few delusional SBs (usually the 18-20 type) who think they can get money just for sending occasional text messages. But they soon learn to put out or get out of the sugar bowl.

As for how much to pay and for what it really depends. I have a wife who fully supports my need to play and prefers I get a sugar baby rather than a mistress. I keep it simple, PPM every couple of weeks or so, no real communication between meets. The dates are multi hour and usually include a meal. I give her 350 but my total cost including hotel and food is usually about 500+ per date.

But I have had other SB deals that were more fuzzy where I helped with expenses and we communicated regularly so more like a semi girlfriend that I helped out. That was not PPM nor monthly allowance.

You have to decide what works for both of you and find the right one for the fit. Join SA, go on a few meet and greets (never pay for those) and see what happens.

Originally Posted by lovemachine (Post 20936772)

Btw what is the difference btw a SB and a mistress to u?

Originally Posted by lovestobonk (Post 20938320)

Originally Posted by lovemachine (Post 20939302)

what is the max number of SB u have at any one time?

btw may i know how old are you? Do SB have a cut off age for SD in general? like max +10 or 15 years older?

In general i get the sensing that the younger generation seems to be receptive to being a SB?

Originally Posted by lovestobonk (Post 20939576)

Originally Posted by lovemachine (Post 20936772)

Btw what is the difference btw a SB and a mistress to u?

Originally Posted by expatamerican (Post 20936733)

All actually very good questions and the answers are all the same...it depends.

Do most SD want sex? Most definitely. You have to be terribly lonely to pay someone to just have dinner with you. For me sex and payment are linked. No sex, no allowance. There are a few delusional SBs (usually the 18-20 type) who think they can get money just for sending occasional text messages. But they soon learn to put out or get out of the sugar bowl.

As for how much to pay and for what it really depends. I have a wife who fully supports my need to play and prefers I get a sugar baby rather than a mistress. I keep it simple, PPM every couple of weeks or so, no real communication between meets. The dates are multi hour and usually include a meal. I give her 350 but my total cost including hotel and food is usually about 500+ per date.

But I have had other SB deals that were more fuzzy where I helped with expenses and we communicated regularly so more like a semi girlfriend that I helped out. That was not PPM nor monthly allowance.

You have to decide what works for both of you and find the right one for the fit. Join SA, go on a few meet and greets (never pay for those) and see what happens.