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EvolveMMA 10-11-2012 01:03 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sammyboyfor (Post 8042984)
We're well into the 21st century and you still believe in this fortune telling crap?????:eek:
Sometimes it is for good fun to break the monotony of life. When I was living and training in LOS, my trainer likes to consult a fortune teller in choosing the fighters for the weekend bouts. So the rest of us will consult the fortune teller too. As he only speaks thai and I cannot understand the language very well..... I would record whatever he is forecasting.

It can be funny when I play back the recordings in retrospect several months later and listen to the predictions again ...... this time with the benefit of hindsight. :)

vinnieboy 11-11-2012 03:56 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Namaste.

Whatever is predictable is manageable.

'fortune telling' is not about being supertititious. TS was using this term ' fortune telling' because this is a general term for 'Xuan Ming'.

I believe he trying to find out why he has been not doing well for all these while.

There are many many ancient methods in 'fortune telling'. Most methods are based on mathematics ( ie probability and statistics, who know what is mat lab?). All these like Bazi Reading, 4 pillar, feng shui, ziwei numbering are called metaphysics science. They are not classified under any religion as well. No need any praying or chanting, no burning of incense papers/sticks/ etc. It Is just pure statistics which was based on past occurrences that were accumulated by a lot of masters, practitioners, astrologers, researchers, etc from way many many thousand years back until today when we learn the methods about "Fortune Telling" is so fast and easy.

In fact in this century and onwards, fortune telling is a serious business.

Fortune Telling is similar to those HR profiling tests; those in the HR trade should know. if not, please check with your HR manager or Staffing Director, you can ask them what is MBTI, DISC tests, etc. Those candidates applying for jobs and while going thru the interviewing process, they will need to answer a set of questions and from the results, they determine whether you are an introvert or extrovert, etc (your personality, traits, etc)

Fortune Telling methods are exactly the same thing. Instead of,asking you answering all these questions, they will based on several raw inputs like your face features (physiognomy), your date/time of birth, and your given name, your body features, like moles positioning, lines in palm (palmistry), etc. From here, depending on which method the master is using, they are able to tell you exactly your personality, behaviour, characteristics, career choice, almost anything you like to know, whether you have a high sex drive, whether you are a gossiper, whether your husband is someone who will keep a mistress, etc.

All these occurrences are listed down in their (master) own 'bible', From the result they tabulated, like some use the 4 pillars (aka Bazi Analysis), they can highlight to you your possible pit holes, any blind spot you need to watch out.

Again these are not superstitious, no gods involve, no spirits, nothing, just pure numbers, and not any supernatural.

From your date of birth, some method is so powerful that they can tell you what are the possible illness you will have in near future. If you take note and take preventive measures, that health issue will be minimised. Prevention is better than cure.

From your date of birth, it can tell you whether you are a possible divorcee or if you have a possible divorce going to happen or not, a gambling addict, possible court case like the cecilia sue case, etc Or your hubby may be seeing other women or keeping a mistress. All these will reflect in your birth chart - cannot escape (IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT LIES AHEAD).

Picture tell you a hundred or thousand of word. From your face-feature, they can tell you almost everything.

From your date of birth, it also can tell you whether you are going in circles for your career - here you go > after your degree or diploma, happily get a job, but resign, join a new firm, quit again because of lousy boss, find a new job, hop again due to nasty colleagues, less than 6 month kenna retrenched, jobless for months, start something on your own > business failed cuz partner ran away with money > back to work for people > quit again and this continue in circles.
And you also will notice some very old uncles either in e.g. SIA or Singtel their first job and also their last job - 30 over years - 1 job. Compare to some serious job hoppers with 3 different jobs in 1 year. All these will be showing in your birth chart. No one can escape if one are ignorant about what you are, your strength, weakness. If you know your weakness (e.g. bad temper) & control it or enhance your strength and use it on your suitable career type, and then entrench deeply into it. Doesn't it sound better than you keep " cheonging"(dashing) aggressively & achieve nothing?

Talking about fortune and fate - for those who love Hokkien songs or you sing karaoke, have you heard of this song lyrics: San Hoon Ti zhu Tia, Qi Hoon Kor Paik Pia, Ai Pia ka jia eh ya =translate for you = 30% luck depend on heaven, 70% luck depend on your own hardwork and attitude, when you work hard, one day you will win". You will.

In fact the above song is quite true - in Chinese Astrology or metaphysics science, there are 3 interactive factors that equally govern a person’s destiny – Heaven (33.33%), Earth (33.33%) and Man (33.33%). While we can’t change what we are born with (Heaven’s luck-karma driven), we can still choose where and how to live (by fine tuning our Earth’s luck/Feng Shui) and what action to take (Man’s own attitude). By knowing what is in our birth chart, we can make informed decisions and take the right action now to change for the betterment. This will help to make our journey in life smoother.

A lot of things (overcome obstacles, achieving goals, resolving issues & problems, quit smoking, reduce weight, score in your exam, maintain a healthy marriage life, etc) is not a question of you can or CANNOT. Is actually whether YOU WANT or you DO NOT want.

Ultimately is your own choice whether YOU WANT to choose a good life by heading north or south, east or west (provided you know the direction you are going else you will be going in circles with no breakthrough).

Namaste

EvolveMMA 11-11-2012 04:30 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnieboy (Post 8059814)
Namaste.

Whatever is predictable is manageable.

'fortune telling' is not about being supertititious. TS was using this term ' fortune telling' because this is a general term for 'Xuan Ming'.

I believe he trying to find out why he has been not doing well for all these while.

There are many many ancient methods in 'fortune telling'. Most methods are based on mathematics ( ie probability and statistics, who know what is mat lab?). All these like Bazi Reading, 4 pillar, feng shui, ziwei numbering are called metaphysics science. They are not classified under any religion as well. No need any praying or chanting, no burning of incense papers/sticks/ etc. It Is just pure statistics which was based on past occurrences that were accumulated by a lot of masters, practitioners, astrologers, researchers, etc from way many many thousand years back until today when we learn the methods about "Fortune Telling" is so fast and easy.

In fact in this century and onwards, fortune telling is a serious business.

Fortune Telling is similar to those HR profiling tests; those in the HR trade should know. if not, please check with your HR manager or Staffing Director, you can ask them what is MBTI, DISC tests, etc. Those candidates applying for jobs and while going thru the interviewing process, they will need to answer a set of questions and from the results, they determine whether you are an introvert or extrovert, etc (your personality, traits, etc)

Fortune Telling methods are exactly the same thing. Instead of,asking you answering all these questions, they will based on several raw inputs like your face features (physiognomy), your date/time of birth, and your given name, your body features, like moles positioning, lines in palm (palmistry), etc. From here, depending on which method the master is using, they are able to tell you exactly your personality, behaviour, characteristics, career choice, almost anything you like to know, whether you have a high sex drive, whether you are a gossiper, whether your husband is someone who will keep a mistress, etc.

All these occurrences are listed down in their (master) own 'bible', From the result they tabulated, like some use the 4 pillars (aka Bazi Analysis), they can highlight to you your possible pit holes, any blind spot you need to watch out.

Again these are not superstitious, no gods involve, no spirits, nothing, just pure numbers, and not any supernatural.

From your date of birth, some method is so powerful that they can tell you what are the possible illness you will have in near future. If you take note and take preventive measures, that health issue will be minimised. Prevention is better than cure.

From your date of birth, it can tell you whether you are a possible divorcee or if you have a possible divorce going to happen or not, a gambling addict, possible court case like the cecilia sue case, etc Or your hubby may be seeing other women or keeping a mistress. All these will reflect in your birth chart - cannot escape (IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT LIES AHEAD).

Picture tell you a hundred or thousand of word. From your face-feature, they can tell you almost everything.

From your date of birth, it also can tell you whether you are going in circles for your career - here you go > after your degree or diploma, happily get a job, but resign, join a new firm, quit again because of lousy boss, find a new job, hop again due to nasty colleagues, less than 6 month kenna retrenched, jobless for months, start something on your own > business failed cuz partner ran away with money > back to work for people > quit again and this continue in circles.
And you also will notice some very old uncles either in e.g. SIA or Singtel their first job and also their last job - 30 over years - 1 job. Compare to some serious job hoppers with 3 different jobs in 1 year. All these will be showing in your birth chart. No one can escape if one are ignorant about what you are, your strength, weakness. If you know your weakness (e.g. bad temper) & control it or enhance your strength and use it on your suitable career type, and then entrench deeply into it. Doesn't it sound better than you keep " cheonging"(dashing) aggressively & achieve nothing?

Talking about fortune and fate - for those who love Hokkien songs or you sing karaoke, have you heard of this song lyrics: San Hoon Ti zhu Tia, Qi Hoon Kor Paik Pia, Ai Pia ka jia eh ya =translate for you = 30% luck depend on heaven, 70% luck depend on your own hardwork and attitude, when you work hard, one day you will win". You will.

In fact the above song is quite true - in Chinese Astrology or metaphysics science, there are 3 interactive factors that equally govern a person’s destiny – Heaven (33.33%), Earth (33.33%) and Man (33.33%). While we can’t change what we are born with (Heaven’s luck-karma driven), we can still choose where and how to live (by fine tuning our Earth’s luck/Feng Shui) and what action to take (Man’s own attitude). By knowing what is in our birth chart, we can make informed decisions and take the right action now to change for the betterment. This will help to make our journey in life smoother.

A lot of things (overcome obstacles, achieving goals, resolving issues & problems, quit smoking, reduce weight, score in your exam, maintain a healthy marriage life, etc) is not a question of you can or CANNOT. Is actually whether YOU WANT or you DO NOT want.

Ultimately is your own choice whether YOU WANT to choose a good life by heading north or south, east or west (provided you know the direction you are going else you will be going in circles with no breakthrough).

Namaste
Namaste... very confusing stuff :confused:

hamsapkwai 11-11-2012 07:25 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Go to anyone , it dont matter, they will all give you the same bullshit, tell you what you want to hear and take your money with contempt :rolleyes:

queeniegal 12-11-2012 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnieboy (Post 8059814)
Namaste.

Whatever is predictable is manageable.

'fortune telling' is not about being supertititious. TS was using this term ' fortune telling' because this is a general term for 'Xuan Ming'.

I believe he trying to find out why he has been not doing well for all these while.

There are many many ancient methods in 'fortune telling'. Most methods are based on mathematics ( ie probability and statistics, who know what is mat lab?). All these like Bazi Reading, 4 pillar, feng shui, ziwei numbering are called metaphysics science. They are not classified under any religion as well. No need any praying or chanting, no burning of incense papers/sticks/ etc. It Is just pure statistics which was based on past occurrences that were accumulated by a lot of masters, practitioners, astrologers, researchers, etc from way many many thousand years back until today when we learn the methods about "Fortune Telling" is so fast and easy.

In fact in this century and onwards, fortune telling is a serious business.

Fortune Telling is similar to those HR profiling tests; those in the HR trade should know. if not, please check with your HR manager or Staffing Director, you can ask them what is MBTI, DISC tests, etc. Those candidates applying for jobs and while going thru the interviewing process, they will need to answer a set of questions and from the results, they determine whether you are an introvert or extrovert, etc (your personality, traits, etc)

Fortune Telling methods are exactly the same thing. Instead of,asking you answering all these questions, they will based on several raw inputs like your face features (physiognomy), your date/time of birth, and your given name, your body features, like moles positioning, lines in palm (palmistry), etc. From here, depending on which method the master is using, they are able to tell you exactly your personality, behaviour, characteristics, career choice, almost anything you like to know, whether you have a high sex drive, whether you are a gossiper, whether your husband is someone who will keep a mistress, etc.

All these occurrences are listed down in their (master) own 'bible', From the result they tabulated, like some use the 4 pillars (aka Bazi Analysis), they can highlight to you your possible pit holes, any blind spot you need to watch out.

Again these are not superstitious, no gods involve, no spirits, nothing, just pure numbers, and not any supernatural.

From your date of birth, some method is so powerful that they can tell you what are the possible illness you will have in near future. If you take note and take preventive measures, that health issue will be minimised. Prevention is better than cure.

From your date of birth, it can tell you whether you are a possible divorcee or if you have a possible divorce going to happen or not, a gambling addict, possible court case like the cecilia sue case, etc Or your hubby may be seeing other women or keeping a mistress. All these will reflect in your birth chart - cannot escape (IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT LIES AHEAD).

Picture tell you a hundred or thousand of word. From your face-feature, they can tell you almost everything.

From your date of birth, it also can tell you whether you are going in circles for your career - here you go > after your degree or diploma, happily get a job, but resign, join a new firm, quit again because of lousy boss, find a new job, hop again due to nasty colleagues, less than 6 month kenna retrenched, jobless for months, start something on your own > business failed cuz partner ran away with money > back to work for people > quit again and this continue in circles.
And you also will notice some very old uncles either in e.g. SIA or Singtel their first job and also their last job - 30 over years - 1 job. Compare to some serious job hoppers with 3 different jobs in 1 year. All these will be showing in your birth chart. No one can escape if one are ignorant about what you are, your strength, weakness. If you know your weakness (e.g. bad temper) & control it or enhance your strength and use it on your suitable career type, and then entrench deeply into it. Doesn't it sound better than you keep " cheonging"(dashing) aggressively & achieve nothing?

Talking about fortune and fate - for those who love Hokkien songs or you sing karaoke, have you heard of this song lyrics: San Hoon Ti zhu Tia, Qi Hoon Kor Paik Pia, Ai Pia ka jia eh ya =translate for you = 30% luck depend on heaven, 70% luck depend on your own hardwork and attitude, when you work hard, one day you will win". You will.

In fact the above song is quite true - in Chinese Astrology or metaphysics science, there are 3 interactive factors that equally govern a person’s destiny – Heaven (33.33%), Earth (33.33%) and Man (33.33%). While we can’t change what we are born with (Heaven’s luck-karma driven), we can still choose where and how to live (by fine tuning our Earth’s luck/Feng Shui) and what action to take (Man’s own attitude). By knowing what is in our birth chart, we can make informed decisions and take the right action now to change for the betterment. This will help to make our journey in life smoother.

A lot of things (overcome obstacles, achieving goals, resolving issues & problems, quit smoking, reduce weight, score in your exam, maintain a healthy marriage life, etc) is not a question of you can or CANNOT. Is actually whether YOU WANT or you DO NOT want.

Ultimately is your own choice whether YOU WANT to choose a good life by heading north or south, east or west (provided you know the direction you are going else you will be going in circles with no breakthrough).

Namaste
Awesome! it very well written!

iloveoversea 17-11-2012 03:35 PM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnieboy (Post 8059814)
Namaste.

Whatever is predictable is manageable.

'fortune telling' is not about being supertititious. TS was using this term ' fortune telling' because this is a general term for 'Xuan Ming'.

I believe he trying to find out why he has been not doing well for all these while.

There are many many ancient methods in 'fortune telling'. Most methods are based on mathematics ( ie probability and statistics, who know what is mat lab?). All these like Bazi Reading, 4 pillar, feng shui, ziwei numbering are called metaphysics science. They are not classified under any religion as well. No need any praying or chanting, no burning of incense papers/sticks/ etc. It Is just pure statistics which was based on past occurrences that were accumulated by a lot of masters, practitioners, astrologers, researchers, etc from way many many thousand years back until today when we learn the methods about "Fortune Telling" is so fast and easy.

In fact in this century and onwards, fortune telling is a serious business.

Fortune Telling is similar to those HR profiling tests; those in the HR trade should know. if not, please check with your HR manager or Staffing Director, you can ask them what is MBTI, DISC tests, etc. Those candidates applying for jobs and while going thru the interviewing process, they will need to answer a set of questions and from the results, they determine whether you are an introvert or extrovert, etc (your personality, traits, etc)

Fortune Telling methods are exactly the same thing. Instead of,asking you answering all these questions, they will based on several raw inputs like your face features (physiognomy), your date/time of birth, and your given name, your body features, like moles positioning, lines in palm (palmistry), etc. From here, depending on which method the master is using, they are able to tell you exactly your personality, behaviour, characteristics, career choice, almost anything you like to know, whether you have a high sex drive, whether you are a gossiper, whether your husband is someone who will keep a mistress, etc.

All these occurrences are listed down in their (master) own 'bible', From the result they tabulated, like some use the 4 pillars (aka Bazi Analysis), they can highlight to you your possible pit holes, any blind spot you need to watch out.

Again these are not superstitious, no gods involve, no spirits, nothing, just pure numbers, and not any supernatural.

From your date of birth, some method is so powerful that they can tell you what are the possible illness you will have in near future. If you take note and take preventive measures, that health issue will be minimised. Prevention is better than cure.

From your date of birth, it can tell you whether you are a possible divorcee or if you have a possible divorce going to happen or not, a gambling addict, possible court case like the cecilia sue case, etc Or your hubby may be seeing other women or keeping a mistress. All these will reflect in your birth chart - cannot escape (IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT LIES AHEAD).

Picture tell you a hundred or thousand of word. From your face-feature, they can tell you almost everything.

From your date of birth, it also can tell you whether you are going in circles for your career - here you go > after your degree or diploma, happily get a job, but resign, join a new firm, quit again because of lousy boss, find a new job, hop again due to nasty colleagues, less than 6 month kenna retrenched, jobless for months, start something on your own > business failed cuz partner ran away with money > back to work for people > quit again and this continue in circles.
And you also will notice some very old uncles either in e.g. SIA or Singtel their first job and also their last job - 30 over years - 1 job. Compare to some serious job hoppers with 3 different jobs in 1 year. All these will be showing in your birth chart. No one can escape if one are ignorant about what you are, your strength, weakness. If you know your weakness (e.g. bad temper) & control it or enhance your strength and use it on your suitable career type, and then entrench deeply into it. Doesn't it sound better than you keep " cheonging"(dashing) aggressively & achieve nothing?

Talking about fortune and fate - for those who love Hokkien songs or you sing karaoke, have you heard of this song lyrics: San Hoon Ti zhu Tia, Qi Hoon Kor Paik Pia, Ai Pia ka jia eh ya =translate for you = 30% luck depend on heaven, 70% luck depend on your own hardwork and attitude, when you work hard, one day you will win". You will.

In fact the above song is quite true - in Chinese Astrology or metaphysics science, there are 3 interactive factors that equally govern a person’s destiny – Heaven (33.33%), Earth (33.33%) and Man (33.33%). While we can’t change what we are born with (Heaven’s luck-karma driven), we can still choose where and how to live (by fine tuning our Earth’s luck/Feng Shui) and what action to take (Man’s own attitude). By knowing what is in our birth chart, we can make informed decisions and take the right action now to change for the betterment. This will help to make our journey in life smoother.

A lot of things (overcome obstacles, achieving goals, resolving issues & problems, quit smoking, reduce weight, score in your exam, maintain a healthy marriage life, etc) is not a question of you can or CANNOT. Is actually whether YOU WANT or you DO NOT want.

Ultimately is your own choice whether YOU WANT to choose a good life by heading north or south, east or west (provided you know the direction you are going else you will be going in circles with no breakthrough).

Namaste
Very well define and informative for others to understand.

Had read somewhere before that methods in books like art of war, 36 strategies are unusable in our current days but like fortune telling, it is a way of sciences in their heyday as its all they could depends on mostly. If guys above 30s should remember 10yr ago there is no 3G, 20years ago we should be just starting to use handphones and pager is still around.

So lets maintain a healthy respect for fortune telling as some sort of sciences in the past. Remember, whatever values and thoughts we have learned so far may be deem as superstitions by people living 1000 years later

vinnieboy 18-11-2012 09:37 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Sun Tzu's War strategies still (very) applicable to our daily life.

some good examples:
  • Know ourselves
  • Know your enemies
  • Know the terrain

vinnieboy 18-11-2012 10:02 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
some methods of "Fortune Telling"

Yik Lam (易林)
Yin Kam (演禽)
Yin and Yang Bowl (陰陽杯)
Tik Pan San Sou (鐵板神數)
Wong Kek Yin Sou (皇極易數)
Seven Major and Four Minor Stars (七政四餘)
Three Generation Life (三世書)
Yin Kam Fa (演禽法)
Chin Ting Sou (前定數)
Wen Wang Gua (文王卦)
Mei Hua Yi Shu (梅花易數)
Qi Men Dun Jia (奇門遁甲)
Yin Kam Fa (演禽法)
Chin Ting Sou (前定數)
Leung Tou Kam (兩頭鉗)
Da Liu Ren (大六壬)
Tai Yi Shen Shu (太乙神數)
Cheng Gu Ge (称骨歌)
Zhou Yi (周易)
Huang Ji Jing Shi (皇极经世)
Jiu Gong Ming Li (九宫命理)

Commonly use:
Face Reading (面相)
Palm reading (手相)
Kau Cim (求籤)
Zi wei dou shu (紫微斗數)
Bazi (八字) (aka 4 pillars)
Numerology (Chinese method, there are Indian and Western too)

kenneth38 22-12-2012 02:30 PM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnieboy (Post 8059814)
Namaste.
A lot of things (overcome obstacles, achieving goals, resolving issues & problems, quit smoking, reduce weight, score in your exam, maintain a healthy marriage life, etc) is not a question of you can or CANNOT. Is actually whether YOU WANT or you DO NOT want.

Ultimately is your own choice whether YOU WANT to choose a good life by heading north or south, east or west (provided you know the direction you are going else you will be going in circles with no breakthrough).
Bro Vinnieboy, very well written. I'm enlightened by whether a person WANT or DO NOT want. Am in the middle of a bad patch, and crossroads. Your words are timely indeed.

All the best.

jameschong1 23-12-2012 10:28 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
[QUOTE=wells;8042732]Seek advice from Ji Gong lah....
================================
many sillyporeans seek advice from ji bye in geylang instead?
for me as property consultant, i can tell within 5 minutes whether the opposite guy/girl is honest to do business or not.
face reading better than pam reading

Beachsea 28-12-2012 11:56 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
hahah.....

i met so many nice face and decent looking .

But are hardcore assholes in life lo..............
time and experience tells alot la.......Nowadays face don't really tell you much about a person.

How many times you see a decent pretty lady are proud and aloof? most of the time. There are nice ones i knew but not much.

Look at the stars and korean Kpop bands...All looking pretty /handsome and decent. But are their character so? You realise that Alot of stars become saint , fillial or super decent/good person after they become a public figure? before that, they are rotten...its just image that money has done for them and towards us.

Might have no link to face reading la...just sharing.

Still i believe in fortune telling but as a reference and not something that will cloud your thoughts. Anything that become obsessions is overboard.

HEyyoooooooooos! good day!

jj_jj 28-12-2012 03:55 PM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
@vinnieboy: in face reading, would there b a difference before n after whatever has been done on the face e.g. nose bridge filler, botox etc?

esssinine 28-12-2012 04:44 PM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jj_jj (Post 8286445)
@vinnieboy: in face reading, would there b a difference before n after whatever has been done on the face e.g. nose bridge filler, botox etc?
Now that is a million dollar question. So if we ask the fortune teller what kind of features give good fortune and we get plastic surgery to fit that mould , do we then prosper accordingly? :rolleyes:

Alex20 13-01-2013 04:54 AM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
Dua LiYaPek in front of OG Bugis building
Fri Sat and Sunday
1230 Pm to 330Pm
Services provided : Ask for fortune,Health Love and Luck
Free of Charge

A master with liyapek statues and few assisstants for translation
To find it just look for OG Entrance. You will see A Big Umbrella and some tables
Assisstant are wearing green company shirt

etct88 13-01-2013 10:48 PM
Re: Fortune Telling
 
"don't wear green" when you go for these "xuan ming":D

'to believe or not to':)


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